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1 Abort: For eller imod? Many secular rationalists believe that the "pro-choice" view of abortion is more logically consistent than the "pro-life" view. If you believe this, you need to view this slideshow. Although this site is overtly Christian, the arguments given here are completely secular. In fact, as an agnostic, I was anti-abortion at least 15 years before I became a Christian. This slideshow was presented at the Center for Research in the Sciences ( at Azusa Pacific University April 9, 2003.

2 Verdslige argumenter mod abort?
Agnostikere Fritænkerne for liv = ateister (L4L.org) En verdslig sag mod abort af Jennifer Roth = verdslig humanist ( Kvindebevægelse for liv = ikke-sekterisk (feministsforlife.org) Yes, there are secular arguments against abortion. I was anti-abortion as an undergraduate agnostic at the University of Southern California Contrary to the claims of Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and other organizations, the case against abortion is not a religious one. Atheists, secular humanists, and feminists who have really examined the issues logically have come to the same conclusion - abortion is morally unacceptable.

3 Hvorfor bør vi prøve at overtale?
1999 Gallup undersøgelse om abort i USA Meningerne står lige For liv (42%) For valg (48%) Ubesluttet (10%) Kun ~50% føler stærkt for/imod MEN næsten halvdelen har ingen stærk mening (hvilket betyder, at de kan overtales) Opinion on abortion is nearly equally split in the United States. However, only about half of the population feels strongly in the issue. Those who have no emotional involvement in issue are more likely to examine the issues rationally and make decisions on the basis of a logical examination of the facts. Stærk for liv (29%) Stærk for valg (26%) Ingen stærk mening (45%)

4 Abort argumenter Videnskabelige overvejelser Lovens overvejelser
De lægelige regler og etik Hvornår begynder et menneskes liv? Lovens overvejelser Er den ufødte en person? Er der sammenhæng mellem lovene? Moralske overvejelser Hvornår begynder en person at eksisterer? The arguments presented in this slideshow fall into three broad categories - Scientific findings, legal issues and moral issues. We will start with the science, since my education and training is in the biological sciences.

5 Videnskabelige argumenter
Hvornår begynder det menneskelige liv? Medicinske opslagsværker Lægers udtalelser Hvornår optræder der abort? “Produktet af undfangelsen” - bare en “klat væv” The science is not in any way unclear about the beginning of human life - it starts at the moment of conception. Evidence is presented from medical textbooks, the statements of doctors, and descriptions of abortions by those who have seen the "products of conception."

6 Medicinsk Embryology Lærebøger
The Developing Human: Klinisk orienteret Embryology "Zygote: denne celle er et resultat af foreningen af en ægcelle og en sædcelle. En zygote er begyndelsen på et nyt menneske (dvs. et foster). Mennesket udvikling begynder ved befrugtningen… Denne højtspecialiseret stamcelle markerer begyndelsen af hver af os, som et enestående individ”. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology: "Zygote: this cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo). Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." Moore, K. and T.V.N. Persaud The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (6th ed.), W.B. Saunders Company,  Philadelphia, pp 2-18.

7 Medicinsk Embryology Lærebøger
Essentials of Human Embryology “I denne tekst begynder vi med beskrivelsen af udviklingen af mennesket, med dannelsen af mandlige og kvindelige kønsceller og mælkeceller. Som vil blive forenede under befrugtningen og danne et foster, frembringelse at et nyt individ.” Essentials of Human Embryology: "In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. ... Fertilization takes place in the oviduct ... resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development." Larsen, W.J Essentials of Human Embryology, Churchill Livingstone, New York, pp

8 Medicinsk Embryology Lærebøger
Human Embryology & Teratology “Befrugtningen er en vigtig milepæl da der under normale omstændigheder, frembringes en ny, genetisk anderledes menneskelig organisme hermed…” Human Embryology & Teratology: "Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed... Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments...  The zygote ... is a unicellular embryo... "The ill-defined and inaccurate term pre-embryo, which includes the embryonic disc, is said either to end with the appearance of the primitive streak or ... to include neurulation. The term is not used in this book." (p. 55)." O'Rahilly, R. and F. Muller Human Embryology & Teratology, Wiley-Liss, New York, pp

9 Hvad siger de medicinske læger?
Dr. Alfred Bongioanni (University of Pennsylvania): “Jeg har lært fra min tidligste medicinske uddannelse, at menneskeligt liv begynder ved undfangelsestidspunktet.” Dr. Jerome LeJeune (University of Descartes): “efter at befrugtningen har funndet sted, er en menneskelig skabning blevet til.” In 1981, a United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee invited experts to testify on the question of when life begins. All of the following quotes come directly from the official government record of their testimony. At this session, those who favor abortion were invited to bring expert witness to testify that life begins at any points other than conception or implantation. However, only one witness said that no one can tell when life begins.

10 Hvad siger de medicinske læger?
Dr. Hymie Gordon (Mayo Clinic): “Målt på alle de kriterier en moderne molekular biolog har, er livet til stede fra tidspunktet for undfangelsen.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth (Harvard University Medical School): “Det er videnskabeligt korrekt at sige, at et individuelt menneskeligt liv begynder ved befrugtningen”

11 Bogen “Human Embryology 101”
Fosteret hjerte begynder at dannes 18 dage efter undfangelsen Målelige hjerteslag dage efter undfangelsen Fosterets hjerne begynder at dannes på dag 23 Hjernebølger produceres efter 6 uger Milestones of human development begin early. For example the human heart beings to form 18 days after conception and exhibits a measurable heart beat at days.1 The brain begins to form at this time2 and produces measurable brain waves at day 40.3 References Heart Development at the Loyola University Chicago web site ( "Life Before Birth" Life Magazine Educational Reprint 27, April 30, 1965, page 6. and Week 4 at the Loyola University Chicago web site ( Brain development slideshow at Temple University

12 Abortstatistik efter svangerskabsuger
Aborter (% af total) <6 22 7 18 8 >8 42 Altså, 78% af aborterne sker efter fosterets hjernebølger er begyndt By examining abortion statistics, we can determine that all abortions occur after the fetal heart has begun to beat. The vast majority of abortions occur after fetal brain waves have begun. Reference Elam-Evans, L.D., et al Abortion Surveillance -- United States, Surveillance Summaries 51(SS09) (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) ( Elam-Evans, L.D., et al Abortion Surveillance -- United States, Surveillance Summaries 51(SS09) (Center for Disease Control and Prevention)

13 Fosteret – bare en “klat væv”?
“Jeg lukkede bækkenet op og lagde indholdet ud på et håndklæde, det viste sig at være dele af en person. Jeg havde ikke studeret anatomi; Jeg var medicinsk student. Jeg blev klar over hvad jeg så på. Der var et lille skulderblad, og der var en arm, og jeg så nogle ribben og et bryst, og jeg så et lille bitte hoved, så så jeg et stykke af et ben, og der var en lille tynd hånd. ... Jeg kontrollerede, og der var to arme, to ben og et hoved, jeg vendte mig og sagde: “jeg tror vi har det hele ude”... Det var SÅ skrækkeligt denne første gang... Det var som om nogen stak en glødende ildrager i mig.” (Dr. David Brewer, under uddannelse) Contrary to the claims of pro-abortion advocates, the fetus at the point of abortion is not just a "blob of tissue" to be described in terms of small size or weight. Even in early abortions, the fetus has all the parts of a human being. The descriptions of those who have watched abortion procedures are quite revealing. Dr. David Brewer, a former abortionist described his first encounter with abortion, while training at a clinic.

14 Fosteret – bare en “klat væv”?
“Jeg kikkede på da indholdet af en kvindes livmoder kom ud gennem et suge-udstyr, og ned i en rustfri stålspand stående ved hans fødder. Jeg trådte tilbage og tørrede sveden af min pande. “Det virker lidt uhyg-geligt,” sagde jeg…. Lægen sagde, “På dette punk i graviditeten, er resultatet af en gravi-ditet ikke noget særligt.” Jeg trådte frem og stirrede ned i spanden. Denne gang brød der koldsved frem. Jeg veg tilbage og lænede mig op af vægen, med lukkede øjne. Kære Jesus! tænkte jeg. Jeg har lige set nogen blive myrdet! Og jeg stor bare og kikkede på! (Sygeplejerske Don Haines, under uddannelse) Don Haines The Day I Became Pro-Life. New Man Magazine 10/29/2002. (

15 Fosteret – bare en “klat væv”?
“Jeg fik en hurtig lytteudskrift og modtog et skud methrotrexate. Efter dette skud, kom jeg hjem... Jeg gik i seng den aften omkring kl. 21… Jeg havde vedblivende veer og blødninger det meste af natten. Omkring kl. 3 om morgenen gik jeg på badeværelset. Da jeg stod op, bemærkede jeg at smerten og trykket ikke kom fra blødningerne, men fra den udstødte moderkage. Da jeg kikkede ned i kummen, så jeg lige midt i moderkagen, min baby. Jeg så babyens perfekt dannede hænder, og lillefingre. Jeg husker det skrig der kom fra min mund... [fra en 7 ugers abort] (Char, “Jeg plejede at være “For valg”… men…”) “I had a quick sonogram and then received a shot of methrotrexate. This is a drug that is used for cancer treatment, it stops cell growth. After the shot, I came home. In next few days, I really don't remember. I tried not to think a lot about what was going to happen. I spent the day on Thursday in a fog. I knew I needed to use the suppositories that day, but I tried not to think about it. I went to bed that evening around 9pm. I used the suppositories as soon as I went to bed. I remember feeling the contractions start about half an hour later. In the beginning, they were mild, but within an hour the pain was severe. I continued contracting and bleeding most of the night. Around three in the morning, I went to the bathroom. I had been passing a lot of clots most of the evening. I assumed that the pain and pressure I was feeling was from more clots. When I stood up, I noticed that the pain and the pressure was not from clots, but from passing the placenta. When I looked in the commode, I saw laying in the center of the placenta my baby. I saw the baby's perfectly formed hands, the little fingers. I remember the scream that came from my mouth.…” [from a 7 week abortion] Char. I used to be Pro-choice...But...) (

16 Videnskabelige konklusioner
Menneskets liv begynder ved undfangelsen Mennesket udvikler sig med ekspresfart (alle organer og systemer fungerer i uge 8) Abort stopper et bankende hjerte De fleste aborter udføres efter at fosteret udsender målbare hjernebølger From the medical sciences, we can conclude that human life begins at conception and proceeds rapidly thereafter. All abortions stop a beating heart (it's not just a slogan) and the vast majority kill a fetus that exhibits measurable brain waves. Science concludes that abortion kills, but is it murder?

17 Lovens argumenter Retten til liv Højesterets afgørelser
Juridisk definition af mord Definition af mord – undtagelser Personafhængige ting The legal arguments against abortion are examined from the perspective of the rights afforded all persons by laws of the United States. The Supreme Court, however, invented additional rights that were said to surpass the right to life. The legal definition of murder for the state of California will be examined to demonstrate its logical fallacies. For the state of California, personhood is not established by an impartial set of criteria, but by the whims of another person.

18 Retten til liv Uafhængighedserklæringen for USA garanterer “ bestemte umistelige rettigheder, deriblandt er Liv, Frihed og stræben efter lykke” (noget til-svarende findes i den danske grundlov) The declaration of Independence of the United States of America claims, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” The right to life is one of the most important principles of law within a free republic.

19 Højesterets afgørelser
Højesteret fastslog at “retten til privat-liv,” sikre en persons frihed til abort med mindre staten har en “tvingende interesse” i at undgå aborten. Højesteret fastslog herefter, at selv om staten har en interesse i at bevare et fosters liv, bliver denne interesse ikke “tvingende” før “fosterets levedygtig-hed” er bevist efter 3 mdr. af graviteten. Roe v. Wade (United States Supreme Court, 1973) Jane Roe (a.k.a. Norma McCorvey), of Texas, claimed to have become pregnant as a result of a rape. (In 1987, she admitted that she lied about being raped). Two female lawyers enlisted her aid to test the 100-year old Texas law banning abortion. They filed a class action lawsuit and won, but not in time to secure an abortion for their client who gave birth to a daughter and placed her for adoption. The case made its way to the United States Supreme Court. On January 22, 1973, the United States Supreme Court, in two separate decisions (Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton), invented a woman’s right to abortion based on a "right to privacy," which is not specified in our U.S. Constitution. Roe mandated a policy commonly known as "abortion on demand," according to these guidelines: The First Trimester: The Court held that during the first 3 months, the decision to abort must be completely left to the judgment of the pregnant woman and her doctor. The State cannot interfere with the abortion decision at all. The Second Trimester: The State cannot protect the fetus. The State may promote its interest in the health of the mother, if it so chooses, by regulating the abortion procedure in ways that are "reasonably related to maternal health," i.e., qualifications of abortionist and type of facility. The Third Trimester: The State may, if it chooses, regulate and even forbid abortion to protect a viable fetus, except where it is necessary for the preservation of the "health" or the life of the mother. Doe v. Bolton (United States Supreme Court, 1973) In the companion case, Doe, the Court stated that the health of the mother includes: "physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age…." In other words, "health" essentially means that any stress upon a pregnant woman justifies an abortion because such factors relate to her complete well-being. In essence, these two decisions gave American women the right to confidential abortion on demand up to the moment of birth. The particularly chilling aspect of the 1973 decisions was that the humanity of the preborn child was purposefully ignored. The Court held that the preborn human is not a person, therefore not deserving of any protection from the government. Planned Parenthood v. Casey (United States Supreme Court, 1992) The United States Supreme Court reaffirmed a woman’s right to end pregnancy in early stages and maked it clear that a total ban on abortion would be found unconstitutional. The Court explicitly reaffirmed Roe v. Wade by a five to four decision. (O’Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Blackmun and Stevens for Roe; Rehnquist, White Scalia and Thomas against Roe). Under this decision, abortion is still legal for any reason from conception to birth - and the broad "health" definition for post-viability abortions is still the law. However, the court did reformulate the legal rationale of Roe. Instead of the trimester framework, a new "bimester" framework had been established, with viability the dividing line. The court also created the "undue burden" test for reviewing abortion legislation. The test will look to see whether the abortion regulation’s "purpose or effect is to place a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability." While this standard still prevents states from prohibiting abortions before viability, laws that attempt to persuade women from aborting can be passed. A majority of the Court upheld most of the regulations of the Pennsylvania Control Act, including the legality of Informed Consent, 24-hour Waiting Period, Parental Consent and Reporting Requirements. The court, however, struck down spousal notification.

20 Juridisk definition af mord
(I mangel af tilsvarende Dansk lov) CALIFORNISK STRAFFELOV PARAGRAF Mord er ulovligt drab på et menneske eller et foster, i ond tro. Most people are rather shocked to find that the liberal state of California considers the intentional killing of a fetus to be murder. However, there are some rather notable exceptions to the law...

21 Definition af mord – undtagelser
CALIFORNISK STRAFFELOV 187. Dette paragraf finder ikke anvendelse på nogen person, som udfører en gerning der fører til drab på et foster hvis noget af følgende passer: Gerningen var godkendt, hjulpet, tilskyndet, eller samtykket til af moderen til fosteret. Most notable among the exceptions to the California murder law is section b.3., which allows the "mother of the fetus" to consent to the "death of the fetus". However, none of these exceptions to murder correspond to the exceptions listed under justifiable homicide (see below). The fetus is no in way attempting to commit a felony against the mother, but is doing what all fetuses do, including what you did as a fetus. The terminology in the exceptions is bizarre, since the term "mother" implies relationship. How can a woman be the mother of a non-person (a fetus)? Doesn't the "death of the fetus" imply that it was alive? The law results in some rather unusual implications... Full Text of Section 187 CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. This section shall not apply to any person who commits an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the following apply: The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act, Article 2 (commencing with Section ) of Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Division 106 of the Health and Safety Code. The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and surgeon's certificate, as defined in the Business and Professions Code, in a case where, to a medical certainty, the result of childbirth would be death of the mother of the fetus or where her death from childbirth, although not medically certain, would be substantially certain or more likely than not. The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to by the mother of the fetus. Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.1 Full Text of Section 197 CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in any of the following cases:  When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or, When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or, When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or, When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.1 Reference CA Codes (pen: ) (

22 Personafhængige ting Fosteret er garanteret personlig status hvis det er ønsket af moderen Fosteret kan blive en ikke-person efter moderens skøn Dog kan en moder ikke vælge at dræbe sit fødte barn Hvordan kan personlig status af ét menneske, blive afgjort af en anden person? The legal arguments against abortion are examined from the perspective of the rights afforded all persons by laws of the United States. The Supreme Court, however, invented additional rights that were said to surpass the right to life. The legal definition of murder for the state of California will be examined to demonstrate its logical fallacies. For the state of California, personhood is not established by an impartial set of criteria, but by the whims of another person.

23 Moralske argumenter “Gevinst” til kvinder
“Gevinst til børn (alle børn er “ønskebørn”) “Ret” til at bestemme over egen krop Fødselskontrol Fosteret er ikke en person – personlige argumenter The moral arguments section examines some of the common reasons given why abortion should be legal. Many of these arguments involve dubious "benefits" from abortion often using unquoted or exaggerated statistics. The primary question to be answered is "Is the fetus a person?" or "When does human personhood begin?" If the fetus is a person or becomes a person at some point in gestation, then it is automatically afforded rights under the United States Constitution, including the right to life.

24 “Gevinst” til kvinder Forebyggelse af dødsfald fra illegale og uautoriserede aborter Tilfælde af voldtægt eller incest, føtale abnormiteter eller trusler mod moderens helbred Abort mildner økonomiske og sociale problemer Many of the 'Benefits' of abortion are based upon a distortion of the 'facts' and exaggerated claims of hardship incurred by a lack of the availability of legalized abortion. These issues will be addressed from published statistical studies.

25 Abort må være lovligt for at forebygge abortrelaterede dødsfald
Abort-relaterede Døde kvinder/år 1940 1,470 1950 (Brug af antibiotika) 1965 201 “Vi taler om 5,000-10,000 dødsfald om året.... Jeg tilstår at jeg vidste at tallene var helt forkerte.” Dr. Bernard Nathanson, (medstifter af NARAL), vidneudsagn for Højesteret i 1972 Proponents of legalized abortion claim that the criminalization of abortion would result in the deaths of thousands of woman yearly. However, after the advent of antibiotics, deaths from illegal abortions were at most in the hundreds. Reference Cates, W. Jr. Rochat, R.W., Grimes, D.A., and Tyler, C.W. Jr "Legalized abortion: Effect on national trends of maternal and abortion-related mortality (1940 through 1976). Am. J. Obstet. Gynecol., 132:

26 Abort må være lovligt for at forebygge abortrelaterede dødsfald
Kvinder døde af abort År Juridiske Aborter Juridiske Ulovlige 1972 Abort legaliseret 24 41 1973 615,831 25 21 1974 763,476 26 7 (ikke den store forskel) Tietze, C Provokeret Abort: A World View. Befolkningsrådet, New York. Proponents of legalized abortion claim that the criminalization of abortion would result in the deaths of thousands of woman yearly. However, the year before abortion was legalized, the number of deaths due to illegal abortions was 41, which was not markedly more than the number of deaths from legal abortions.

27 De nøgne facts Abort må være tilgængelig for:
tilfælde af voldtægt eller incest udgør kun 1% af alle tilfælde tilfælde af føtale abnormiteter moderens helbred er i fare udgør kun 3% af alle tilfælde Abortion proponents cite the "hard cases" of abortion as justification for the requirement for legalized abortion. However, these "hard cases" represent only 5% of all abortions performed in the United States. Any attempts to limit legalized abortion to these "hard cases" is completely opposed by abortion proponents, although they are constantly citing only these cases. Så kun 5% af alle aborter i USA udgør disse svære tilfælde. The Alan Guttmacher Institute (

28 Abort mindsker økonomiske og sociale problemer
Graviditet trællebinder kvinder, interfererer med karriere og uddannelsesvalg For de fleste kvinder, påvirker en graviditet ikke evnen til at arbejde eller gå i skole, undtagen efter fødslen Lovgivningen forhindre arbejdsgiverne i at afskedige eller diskriminerer gravide kvinder Kvinder er ikke tvunget til at beholde deres børn. Adoption er altid en mulighed Eksistensen af sociale problemer, er ikke en begrundelse for at dræbe en ufødt The existence of social problems for women is not justification for another, even worse, evil. The social problems should be fixed, instead of killing the unborn. In recent years, many of the problems have been fixed, such as those preventing employers from firing or discriminating against pregnant women. Adoption is always an option for those women who don't feel that they can take care of a child at this time in their lives. Many couples must wait for years to adopt because abortion has drastically reduced the number of children available for adoption. The "Safe Havens" program (state of California, and many other states) allows women to take their newborns to any emergency room or fire station within 72 hours of birth and drop them off - alleviating them of any further responsibility.

29 Alle børn burde være ønskebørn
At være ønsket, er ikke barnet mening, men den voksnes! Er det retfærdigt at dræbe et barn på grund af en voksens holdning? For ønskebørn er det mindre sandsynligt at de bliver misbrugt, eller er det… (se næste side) Abortion proponents claim that every child should be wanted. However, being wanted is not a condition of the child, but of the adult. Is it fair to kill a child because of the attitude of an adult? Couples who are unable to conceive children of their own must often wait for years to adopt, since abortion has drastically reduced the number of adoptable children.

30 Rapporteret børnemisbrug
Alle børn burde være ønskebørn (For ønskebørn er det mindre sandsynligt at de bliver misbrugt ) År Rapporteret børnemisbrug 1973 (Abort frigivet) 167,000 1980 785,100 1987 2,025,200 2000 1,726,000 Abortion proponents often justify abortion because of the claim that every child should be wanted. They also claim that wanted children are less likely to be abused than those who are "unwanted." However, child abuse statistics show that since abortion was legalized in 1973, child abuse has risen dramatically, although over one million unwanted children are aborted every year. Maybe the callous attitude fostered by the prevalence of abortion have contributed to the child abuse problem? Reference Child Maltreatment 2000 ( Administration for Children and Families, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2002. U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, National Center of Child Abuse & Neglect; National Analysis of Official Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting

31 Kvinder har retten til at bestem-me over deres egen krop!
Er fosteret en del af deres krop? Separate kredsløb Unik DNA Har vi overhovedet ret til at gøre noget ved vores krop? Misbrug Illegale stoffer Brug af stoffer/alkohol under graviditeten Proponents of abortion say that a woman should have the right to control her own body. This sounds reasonable. However, the fetus is not actually part of a woman's body. The fetus is a separate individual, which has its own circulatory system and is composed of a unique DNA sequence compared to the mother. Regarding the claim that the fetus is part of the mother, Professor Peter Kreeft made the rather comical observation, "But in that case, every pregnant woman has four eyes and four feet, and half of all pregnant women have penises! Clearly, the absurd conclusion came from the false premise that the fetus is only part of the mother." Even so, people do not automatically have the legal right to do anything they want with their own bodies. We cannot use our bodies to assault others. We can't even take illegal drugs, even though it "only affects us." The irony is that there are laws in many states that prevent a mother from using drugs or alcohol during pregnancy, although the same mother can kill the fetus at any time. Reference Kreeft, P HUMAN PERSONHOOD BEGINS AT CONCEPTION (

32 Fødselskontrol – modbeviset
De lande der forbyder abort, har et overbefolkningsproblem Årsag og virkning hænger dog ikke sammen – disse lande har også begrænset eller ingen adgang til prævention, dårlig uddannelse osv. Krig, sygdom og hungersnød kan også dæmpe befolkningstilvæksten, skal vi så også aksepterer dem? Abortion is often said to be a means to prevent over-population. Abortion proponents claim that those countries that outlaw abortion have very high birth rates. They often fail to point out that those countries are often composed of Roman Catholic populations, which are not allowed to use birth control measures. Even those that are not Roman Catholic often lack access to birth control, and generally have limited availability of educational programs. It has been pointed out that other bad events, such as war, disease, and famine can curb population growth. Should we condone those things as well?

33 Fosteret er ikke en Person
“En person… er medlem af et socialt fællesskab som former dem, giver dem værdier, og personlighed skal defineres som en form for interaktion og relationer med andre.”(se næste side) Susan Sherwin Ethical Issues: Perspectives for Canadians. Ed. Soifer, Eldon. Peterborough, Ontario: Broadview Press, p. 267 Susan Sherwin attempts to define personhood on the basis of interactions of individuals in relationships with others. The next slides will examine some of the problems associated with these ideas.

34 Fosteret er ikke en Person – modbeviset
Definitionsproblemer for “personlighed” Findes der en ”ikke-personlig” person? Hvilke egenskaber definerer en personlighed? Hvem skal lave definitionen? Samfundet har udelukket visse mennesker fra ”personligheder” før (f.eks., Afrikanske slaver, Kinesere, osv.) Skal vi nu til at lave en ny liste af menneskelige ”ikke-personer”? Abortion proponents claim that fetuses are not persons. However, this would make the fetus a human non-person. Does such a creature really exist? Who should be in charge of determining which characteristics of personality constitute personhood? In the past, numerous human beings have been defined as non-persons. Should we begin a new list of human beings who aren't really persons?

35 Fosteret er ikke en Person – modbeviset
Vil manglen på personlige egenska-ber gøre folk til ”ikke-personer”: De, der er i koma Ældre med degenerative sygdomme som f.eks. Alzheimer's mm. Evnesvage Genetiske Neurologiske sygdomme Mentale lidelser Er det ok at betragte disse mennesker som ”ikke-personer”? The lack of certain personality traits used to define personhood would remove many humans who are currently considered to be persons from the status of personhood. This kind of definition of personhood would make into non-persons those who are in a coma, the elderly with degenerative disorders (such as Alzheimer's, etc.), and those who are mentally deficient. Is is okay to consider these human beings as non-persons?

36 Definition af personlighed
En der bevidst udfører personlige handlinger – altså kan vi eliminerer dem der sover En med en nærværende kapacitet til at udfører en personlig handling – altså kan vi eliminerer dem der er i koma If one defines personhood on the basis of those who consciously performing personal acts, those who are asleep would be classified as non-persons and could be killed during a nap. If one defines personhood on the basis of those who have a present capacity to perform personal acts, those who are in a coma could be killed at any point during their coma.

37 Definition af personlighed
En der har en historik af udførte personlige handlinger – altså kan vi eliminerer dem der lå i koma fra fødslen, men nu vågner op En med egenskaben til at udføre frem-tidige personlige handlinger – vil gøre døende personer til ”ikke-personer” If one defines personhood on the basis of those who have a history of performing personal acts, those who have been in a coma from birth would be classified as non-persons and could be killed at any point after birth. If one defines personhood on the basis of those who have a future capacity to perform personal acts, those who are dying would be classified as non-persons and could be killed at any point.

38 Konsekvensen ved “funktionel” defineret personlighed
Nyfødte mangler evnen til at udføre personlige opgaver – faktisk er nyfødte mennesker mindre i stand til at klare fysiske og mentale opgaver end næsten alle andre pattedyr. Derfor, på baggrund af en ”funktionel” personlighedstest, som nyfødte ikke kan klare, kan de dræbes på grund af deres ”ikke-personlighed”. Human newborns are among the least capable mammals in their ability to perform physically and mentally. Personhood based upon the ability to perform certain personal functions could be used to define newborns as non-persons, rendering them susceptible to possible infanticide.

39 Hvornår bliver et menneske en person – rutscheturen…
Ved undfangelsen Efter 20 ugers svangerskab Efter 24 uger (fosteret kan leve uden for livmoderen) Ved fødslen På det tidspunkt hvor individet udtrykker selvbevidsthed og en interesse for deres egen fortsatte eksistens Different sides of the abortion debate define the beginning of personhood at different points in development. The next six slides examine each point of human development as the point to define the beginning of personhood. Let's begin at conception...

40 Ved undfangelsen, det er bare en enkelt celle
Påstand: Befrugtede æg er bare en enkelt celle, som blodceller eller andre I kroppen Modbevis: Denne celle er ganske unik skabt ud fra faderens og moderens celler, og er dermed begyndelsen til et unikt nyt menneske Abortion proponents claim that a fertilized egg is just a single cell - like any other cell of the human body and is only "potential life". However, this single cell is alive by any biological definition of life and defines the beginning of each new human being. This single cell is unique from both the father's and mother's cells, so it cannot be defined as just part of the woman's body.

41 Påstand: Forud for 20. uge, er fosteret ikke en Person
Hver person har en individuel menneskelig personlighed Før 20. uges svangerskab, har hjernebarken endnu ikke udviklet til det punkt, hvor fosteret kan have en menneskelig personlighed Derfor Fostre der er fra før 20. uges svangerskab, er derfor ikke en person. Abortion proponents claim that prior to 20 weeks, the fetal brain is not developed enough so that the fetus can posses an individual human personality, and therefore, the fetus is not a person. There are problems with this definition...

42 Påstand: Forud for 20. uge, er fosteret ikke en Person
Person = Personligheds Problem Alle personer var en gang foster. Hvornår skiftede vi fra ”ikke-person” status til ”person” status? At sige at personlige egenskaber definerer en person, er at benægte kroppens rolle. Sind/krop sammenspil? Defining personhood on the basis of personality results in several problems. It is impossible to know when a fetus goes from non-person to person status. Of course, personality is a function of the body, and is programmed at least partially by the DNA. Trying to distinguish a separate existence of the mind from the brain results in a kind of mind/body dualism that is not accepted by the vast majority of secular scientists.

43 Påstand: Forud for 20. uge, er fosteret ikke en Person
Problemet med hjernens udvikling Hjernens udvikling er programmeret af DNA’et – det er en iboende funktion af de befrugtede æg, og den fortsætter selv efter fødslen Defining personhood on the basis of brain development results in several problems. Brain development is controlled by the DNA, and so, is programmed to occur in a continuous progression of virtually indistinguishable events. There is no point at which the brain suddenly becomes functional. In fact, many aspects of brain development occur after birth. Most aspects of newborn personality do not emerge until weeks to months after birth. Therefore, a definition of personhood on the basis of brain development would allow for infanticide - at least through the first month.

44 Påstand: Forud for 24. uge, er et foster ikke levedygtigt
Afhængigt af nuværende teknologi Levedygtighedsgrænsen var før 28 uger i Storbritanien Ændret til 24 uger i 1990 Kunstig livmoder (Nature, 2002) Udviklet for tidlig fødte spædbørn Anvender iltet perfluorerede kulbrinter Kunne nedbringe punktet for fosterets levedygtighed til det halve Defining personhood on the basis of fetal viability outside the womb also has several problems. By this definition, the age of viability is subject to human technology. In the United Kingdom, this definition led to the lowering of the age of viability from 28 weeks to 24 weeks in A recent article in the medical journal Nature, indicated that an artificial womb might lower the age of viability. The authors of the study commented on the possible implications of such technology on the availability of abortion, since the current legal definition of abortion "rights" is based upon "fetal viability.“ Reference Knight, J Artificial wombs: An out of body experience. Nature 419:

45 Personligheden starter der hvor selvbevidstheden begynder
‘In Defense of Abortion and Infanticide,’ Michael Tooley hævder at individets ret til liv først starter, hvor der er selvbevidsthed og en interesse i sin egen fortsatte eksistens Tooley konkluderer hermed at barnemord er akseptabelt De fleste tager afstand fra denne definition ved nyfødte børn, fordi de kan se, hvad det er de slår ihjel. Hvad mange ikke ved, er at et foster ser lige sådan ud, bare mindre, efter de første 3 mdr. Defining personhood on the basis of self-consciousness and an interest in one's own continued existence allows for infanticide, which is exactly what Michael Tooley argues for. However, most people are unwilling to accept such a definition of personhood, since they are able to see exactly what is being killed when the individual is a newborn. What most people don't know is that the fetus looks markedly like a newborn, only smaller, after the first three months of gestation.

46 Det ufødte barns dagbog:
13. januar I dag begyndte jeg at leve. Far og mor ved det ikke endnu. Jeg er ikke større end et knappenålshoved. Alle mine fysiske og psykiske anlæg er allerede fastlagt. Jeg får fars blå øjne og mors krøller. Det er allerede bestemt, at jeg bliver en pige. 27. januar (14 dage) Mine første blodceller og blodårer bliver til. Da mine forskellige organer endnu ikke er helt færdige, må min mor give mig næring og styrke gennem sit blod. Når jeg bliver født, har jeg endnu et stykke tid brug for hendes mælk.

47 Det ufødte barns dagbog:
2. februar (20 dage) Mit hjerte er begyndt at slå. Så længe jeg lever, vil det uden et øjebliks hvile gøre sin tjeneste. Det er et stort mirakel. 10. februar (4 uger) Mine arme og ben begynder at vokse, men der går endnu et stykke tid, før jeg kan begynde at bruge dem. 28. februar (6½ uge) Først i dag fandt mor ud af, at hun bar mig under sit hjerte, da lægen fortalte hende det. Hvor må hun være blevet glad!

48 Det ufødte barns dagbog:
19. marts (9 uger) Jeg er ved at få hår og øjenbryn. Tænk hvor glad mor bliver for sin lyshårede datter. 2. april (godt 11 uger) Nu er mit hjerte helt udviklet. Der er nogle små børn, som bliver født med et sygt hjerte. Så gør de en masse for at redde deres liv gennem en operation. Gud ske lov at mit hjerte er rask – jeg bliver et sundt menneskebarn. Alle bliver glade.

49 Det ufødte barns dagbog:
6. april (12 uger) I dag besluttede mor, at jeg skulle dø…

50 Moral og abort Aborttilhængerne citerede ofte sætningen: “sikker, lovlig, og sjælden” – Hvorfor sjælden? Abort raten “for høj” ~30% af graviditeterne i U.S.A. ~70% af graviditeterne i Rusland Hvis abort er godt, hvorfor skal den så være sjælden? Although the slogan has fallen out of favor in recent years, the idea that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare" was a mainstay of abortion rights advocates during the 1990's. The problem with the phrase was the the third term "rare." If abortion were a good thing, why should it be rare?

51 Er det din overbevisning at abort er forkert?
Selv om 51% hævdes at være “for-valg” er det kun 36% der mener at abort er moralsk forkert Nej (36%) Ja (56%) Ved ikke (8%) Although at least half of people surveyed classify themselves as "pro-choice," a sizable number of those believe that abortion is morally wrong. Does it makes sense that you would go against your own moral values and support something that you believe is morally wrong? Newsweek meningsmåling foretaget af Princeton Survey Research Associates. October 29-30, 1998

52 Jeg er personligt mod abort, men…
Hvorfor er du personligt imod abort? Hvis du mener det er umoralsk, hvorfor tror du så det skal være lovligt tilladt? Jeg er personligt mod mord, men … Jeg er personligt mod røveri, men … Jeg er personligt mod incest, men … Those who are personally against abortion feel that it should be legally available haven't thought through the implications of their beliefs. If people should be allowed to do immoral acts, we should get rid of all the laws against murder, robbery, incest, etc. After all, it is a personal choice isn't it?

53 Abort kontra Slaveri Abort (2003) Slaveri (1850’s)*
“De er ikke personer” “De er ikke personer, men ejendom” Det er et personligt valg Det er et religiøst spørgsmål The same arguments used to support slavery are now being used to support abortion. Pro-abortion advocates are constantly trying to say that it is a personal choice and that it is a religious issue. However, the information in this presentation indicates that the arguments used to support abortion "rights" lack logic and are not supported by scientific or ethical examination of the issues. EVERYONE who supported slavery was free. EVERYONE who support abortion was born. That's how oppression works. "They're not really people" - We've heard that before copyright © 2001 by Matt Evans (used with permission) *Stephen Douglas brugte alle disse argumenter til fordel for at bevare slaveri

54 ..der støtter slaveri er frie!
Alle dem… ..der støtter slaveri er frie! Alle dem… ..der støtter abort er fødte!


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